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India Ink
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posted May 20, 2003 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink        Reply w/Quote
Since these boards are closing, I feel like using the remaining time to gripe. So let's talk about exchange rates (snore)....

I worked it out the other day and I found for about the last year DC has pegged the Canadian dollar at 60c US (given their prices on all their books--comics and archives). For the last two years the Canadian dollar has been around 70c. It may have dipped as low as 65c a few times. But mainly it's been between 67 and 70 cents for the last year.

Within the last month, with the Canadian economy continuing to outperform most of the leading nations including the U.S., the Canadian dollar has gone up and up. A couple weeks ago, economists were predicting that by the end of the year the dollar would be at 75c US. But it's already around 74c now. It's very likely that it will go up to 75c by the end of this month!

Doing the math, if the Canadian dollar levels off at 75c, then Canadian consumers like me will be spending about $10 US on the coverprice for archives over what the average American consumer spends. In other words, in real dollars the archives priced at $50.00 US in the U.S.A are priced at $60.00 US in Canada, when you work out the exchange rate on the listed Canadian price.

But there's no added cost in distributing to Canada vs the U.S. The same distributor--Diamond--ships the comics and books all over the continent.

So really Canadians are subsidizing the American comics market.

And we're starting to realize this. A lot of Canadian comics buyers live very close to the border. And I imagine there were some this long weekend (the Victoria Day long weekend) who went over the border instead of shopping at local comic shops.

This could put Canadian shops in a terrible position. They don't actually enjoy any extra profit from the fixed prices that DC sets, and yet their consumers will likely want some reduction--or else they'll just cross-border shop. So the direct sales guys will probably have to shave their mark-ups to satisfy the customers, or else lose customers. But if books don't give the dealers a healthy profit then they're not worth stocking. This puts the Canadian direct sales shops in a bind.

And me? I don't own or drive a car, so I'll probably continue to pay overmuch at my local (softened by a 10% store discount). But suppose I could do one run down to the states and buy all my archives for the year? Maybe twelve books--that's a one-hundred-twenty dollars US savings! I could pay for my bus ticket and still come out ahead.

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James Friel
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posted May 20, 2003 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
Anyone who buys imported reading matter either in the US from elsewhere, or elsewhere from the US, seems to get screwed.
Have you ever looked at the prices that British books get in the US? Absurd. Even the British books that have US prices printed on them as part of a list that also includes Australian and Canadian prices.
Canadians, in fact, seem to do well on British books--sometimes their prices work out to less than what British consumers wouldpay.
Maybe it evens out

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India Ink
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posted May 20, 2003 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink        Reply w/Quote
Yet for decades comic books in Canada and the U.S. had the exact same price.

I gather that our dollars were relatively on par back then, but that would be a casual assumption. Afterall, our economies were not entirely linked, and subject to the tides of change just as they are today.

I'm sure during the Vietnam War the American economy was much more volatile than the Canadian.

But the downward slide of the Canadian dollar was probably allowed by the recent governments in the last decade because they saw an advantage in a weaker dollar and therefore made no efforts to support the loonie against the greenback.

Unlike any other country except Mexico, Canada is cheek to cheek with the U.S. Prices (allowing for exchange rates) have to stay competetive or else a lot of business will be lost to those south of the border.

Brits don't have the option of shopping in Windsor or Detroit.

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vze2
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posted May 20, 2003 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
I don't have a lot of time to discuss this right now, and I'm not sure how much an American with limited knowledge of Canada can add to the discussion, but I think this is an important discussion. I hope you'll bring this up on the new board once this one dies.

I've wondered for years why the American/Canadian price ratio doesn't fluctuate more. I suspect that DC doesn't monitor the rate changes as much as they should.

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted May 21, 2003 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
When I was a kid living near White Rock B.C in the early '70s, my family would drive across the border to Bellingham WA to shop. Why? Because of that cheap American currency! The Canadian dollar was trading above the American. Only by a few cents, but it made a huge difference in the days of 25-cent comic books. We would smuggle the stuff into Canada without paying duty. Yup, I'm from a long line of hardened criminals.

Sadly, those days are long past. Despite the free trade agreement, it's harder than ever for individuals to cross the border. Either direction. I half expect to be detained as an illegal immigrant the next time I cross. The US border patrol looks at me funny when I tell them I was born in Winnipeg.

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Kamandi Last Boy on Earth
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posted May 21, 2003 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kamandi Last Boy on Earth        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NecessaryImpurity:
The US border patrol looks at me funny when I tell them I was born in Winnipeg.

That's because people from Winnipeg will do anything to get OUT of Winnipeg!

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted May 21, 2003 03:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
Too true! In the summer of 1971, my whole family, not just my parents and my brothers and I, but my uncles aunts and cousins all migrated from the Winnipeg area to the White Rock area. It was during the drive across Canada that I formed my first memories of comics. My parents had bought several Gold Keys and Classics Illustrateds to keep my brothers and I quiet. I'm not sure it worked. I was almost 8 that summer, my twin brothers almost 7.

There isn't much about that trip I remember, other than the comic books. They made quiet an impression.

On a "believe it or not" note, I've never been back to Winnipeg. It might as well be on Rann...

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India Ink
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posted May 21, 2003 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink        Reply w/Quote
So I wonder if I take a bus to Bellingham, and I load up with books, will I be forced to declare my ill-gotten gains once I go back over the border?

The last time I flew down to the U.S. my baggage was searched and I was asked all kinds of probing questions, but coming back-- by bus --I was asked a few random questions and never once had to open my bags (this was all pre-9/11).

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted May 21, 2003 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
When I crossed the border last November, I was with my Mom and brother. Getting into Canada wasn't much of a problem. Except for the question about pepper spray, which my Mom was tactless enough to mock. Mom, don't f*ck with guys who have the ppower to do body cavity searches. Unless you're into that sort of thing.

Anyway, it was getting back into the States that was dicey for me.

If there's going to be an issue at the border, I'd imagine the current "Orange Alert" has more to do with it than anything else. But again, that's probably only for getting to the States, not into Canada.

As for crossing the border, if you've removed the shrink wrap from your Archives, who's to say you didn't take them with you to read on your way down? Hmmm? It's a long bus ride, and a long wait at the bus station. A guy needs to have something to read.

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OldGuy
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posted May 21, 2003 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for OldGuy        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by India Ink:
So I wonder if I take a bus to Bellingham, and I load up with books, will I be forced to declare my ill-gotten gains once I go back over the border?

Last time I crossed the border (admittedly it was in '80 or '81), books were specifically exempt from any tarriff.

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India Ink
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posted May 22, 2003 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink        Reply w/Quote
Oh that's good.

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James Friel
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posted May 22, 2003 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
You mean there's duty on books now?
Last time I brought books in from Britain to the US, just a few years ago, there wasn't any, and as far as I know that's because of the category of item they are, not because of the origin.

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted May 22, 2003 02:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure, but I think Canadians have to pay GST on stuff they buy across the border.

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James Friel
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posted May 22, 2003 02:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
On top of the sales tax they have to pay to the US State concerned?

Damn.

(climbing up onto soapbox)
Oh hell. Why bother.
(climbing down...)

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted May 22, 2003 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
In Washington, nonresidents don't have to pay a sales tax for anything you take out of the state. Maybe that applies only to Oregonians, since we don't have a sales tax, and Portland is just across the river. Anyway, if I buy a stero in Vancouver WA, I don't have to pay sales tax, because I am taking it home to Oregon. If I buy dinner, I pay sales tax because I consumed it right there.

Tax policy couldn't be more complicated if they tried. And I believe they do.

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James Friel
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posted May 22, 2003 03:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
The same policy applies to the Canadian VAT, or whatever they call it there--except that they make the paperwork so intimidating that I imagine most visitors don't bother--and I'm sure they count on that.

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